Redshift Motorsports Supercharger

[Tsx536]

There's a new SC kit being developed:
http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com

Specs:
06 Civic Si, TSX, RSX - Base 280 bhp systems $3,900 and Intercooled 370 bhp systems $4,900

The TSX kit is suppose to put out 280 brake HP.
Brake HP X .88 = wheel horsepower (whp).

Wheel Horsepower numbers:
Base Kit 246 whp (280 bhp)
Intercooled Kit 325 whp (370 bhp)

These guys are in PA, and these kits sound great. They use the Rotrex blower instead of the Eaton blower. This is a centrifugal blower and is more efficient than the roots type, especially at high boost levels.

[pcdawg]

Yeah...i read that thread on the other site. Sounds interesting.

Is that how to calculate the actual WHP? That formular seems to be wrong. For my 04 auto with pulleys, comptech header and comptech icebox i pull about 176whp. 200 stock hp X 0.88 equals 176whp stock!!

[chuson]

^^^ But I guess we need to factor in our TSX are 5AT.

I'm not sure if the HP/TQ is correct, since there's no proof. However, if the 5AT transmisson can handle all that power, and the SC can get up to ~300whp, I'm jumping on it. It's gonna be expensive.

[WhiteTsx001]

I am planning on a SC next summer so lets hope this one is out.. if so I might jump on it.. all depends on price and actual numbers..

Yikes Chuson can you get the lower bhp one so I can still drive a little faster then u haha.. jk...

[Tsx536]

Originally Posted by pcdawg

Yeah...i read that thread on the other site. Sounds interesting.

Is that how to calculate the actual WHP? That formular seems to be wrong. For my 04 auto with pulleys, comptech header and comptech icebox i pull about 176whp. 200 stock hp X 0.88 equals 176whp stock!!

Well going by the numbers of the Comptech SC kit:

The Manual puts down about 244 whp
And my auto puts down about 223 whp

That's about a 8%-9% difference in power loss from the transmission.
Based on those numbers the Redshift Motorsports should put down the following. (This is alll theorhetical of course)

Base 5AT Auto Kit: 225 whp
Intercooled 5AT Auto kit: 300 whp

[puiyingbread]

wow, a 370 bph tsx~~~~who will be the 1st one in this forum??

[chuson]

Originally Posted by WhiteTsx001

I am planning on a SC next summer so lets hope this one is out.. if so I might jump on it.. all depends on price and actual numbers..

Yikes Chuson can you get the lower bhp one so I can still drive a little faster then u haha.. jk...

That's not fair~!! You have more if not the same mod as me...

Let's hope they can get a way to hack the Engine Management. At least me and you can set up a GB for Torontoian.

[Benz]

I am waiting for the kit to come out...I will even trade in my AT for a MT if I can get 370hp!! unless they can do it on a AT...then, my AT > everyone's MT!

[j0z0d34th]

damn finally a way to get real power out of the tsx!!!!! :-)

[narci]

Don't want to be a party pooper but i'd take thier claims with a grain of salt.

First off...it looks like most of what they sell is bolt ons. Including turbo and SC's. Notice under "Engine Building, Swaps, Turbo Installs, etc." they say "Turbo/Supercharger/NOS Installs (labor only....full kits available) $600-1,000 for most". A custom turbo will cost more then $1000.

Second. Unless they sell an in-house ECU management system, they are going to use Hondata or AEM because that's what they sell. So far Hondata has no ECU management system for the TSX..not sure about AEM. (though i did read that Hondata did ask someone to volunteer for some datalogging recently).

The home page looks like they are making thier first foray into mass custom turbo/SC kits and I, personally, and very doubtful there will be one for the TSX without some compromises.

[Tsx536]

Yeah, I'll believe it when I see, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. The owner came onto one of the other forums and broke down a lot about their history and the purpose of these kits. I have some doubts in my mind too, but I want to encourage them to continue development basically because no other companies are.

I'm not sure why you are are saying that Hondata doesn't have ECU management for the TSX. The reflash has been out for a long time now. There is no user programmable engine management, but this isn't absolutely necessary. The comptech setup uses a Hondata reflash along with an ACM piggyback module to control the engine management. This isn't a user programmable engine management solution but it still works great. I constantly monitor the A/F ratio on my setup and I'm at 12.0 throughout most of the RPM range when at WOT and on the high cam. The engine management does the job. If Redshift motorsports did the same thing and worked with Hondata then I think it's possible for them to come up with their own engine management.

The thing I question the most is going to be the Intercooled kit. If you want to run high enough boost to produce 325 whp, you will not be able to get there without adding extra fuel. When Hondata tried to add hi flow injectors to a SCed TSX, they said they had flooding upon cranking the engine. This appears to be the biggest obstacle since even with increased fuel pressure the stock injectors hit max duty around 7100 RPMs and you are in danger of running lean if you try to rev higher. (This is why an SCed car cannot rev to 7600). Hopefully Redshift can come up with some type of solution for this problem.

Here's a post form one of the owners, taken from another forum:

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

Hi everyone,

I'm Chris from RedShift. Looks like Greg also chimed in already. These kits are under development, but we are looking at doing an accelerated development. Only concern is we don't want to go too fast. It has to be right.

The Rotrex is a great charger. I think you will all really love it. We've been looking at it and doing research for awhile now. Not many people even know what it is.

The bhp numbers are brake hp. Mult by .88 and you'll get approx whp numers. So 370 bhp is about 325 whp. And the 280 bhp base system will come in around 250 whp. Those are quite realistic for a good kit.

The big different from the eaton kits (jackson and comptech) is that a roots blower is great up to about 8 psi. Then it gets worse. It's downright ugly at 15+ psi. But the Rotrex has the same efficiency at 20 psi that the roots has a 10 psi. That will allow power power, safely.

I know there are alot of questions you guys have. I can tell you that we are very small. There is only 3 of us. Me (Chris), John, and Greg. There is also another person I can't name because he works elsewhere, but he is involved as a consultant and is an award winning engineer who has worked for years on 4cyl platforms for a premier manufacturer.

I am 37 and a product of Honda R&D where I coordinated new car development certain models.....my biggest project you may know is the MDX. I also worked on the 2 door accord and a sliver on the Pilot. I've been to the Honda headquarters in Japan and seen what the public doesn't get to.... spent time at the test track in Hokkaido Japan to... not to mention TRC in Ohio and the Marysville plant. Oh, and I'm also big into autocrossing.... even won a national championship a few years back.... so we can also setup a suspension as well as anyone.

It's hard to know what products at this level are good sometimes...but I can gaurantee all of you that I started this business 4 years ago with the intention of doing great things.... world leading things....and I'm banking on the success of these kits. They will be better than anything else out there now, and you will all see that soon. For now, if you come to visit, expect a crappy 1200 sq ft facility that keeps us warm but not much else. And no kidding aside, if anyone know of an investor that may be interested in this business, please let me know. We have alot of work to do and are continuing to raise money to make this happen.

Thanks for reading. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Chris at RedShift
http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by narci

First off...it looks like most of what they sell is bolt ons. Including turbo and SC's. Notice under "Engine Building, Swaps, Turbo Installs, etc." they say "Turbo/Supercharger/NOS Installs (labor only....full kits available) $600-1,000 for most". A custom turbo will cost more then $1000.
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Welll that would be for install it does say labor only As far as tuning that is being dealt with slowly but it is being cracked. Any questions, without getting me in trouble withthe admin's, on the kit I am Greg and what I can answer I will.

[Tsx536]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Welll that would be for install it does say labor only As far as tuning that is being dealt with slowly but it is being cracked. Any questions, without getting me in trouble withthe admin's, on the kit I am Greg and what I can answer I will.

Welcome to the forum
How were you planning on handling the fuel management? Do you plan to work with Hondata for the engine management?

[simplyscion]

Originally Posted by Tsx536

Welcome to the forum
How were you planning on handling the fuel management? Do you plan to work with Hondata for the engine management?

good luck, i tried asking that question on the other site and they didnt want to disclose the information due to people stealing their ideas. I guess we will hafta wait and see what it is...I have my guesses on what they will use.

[Highrev1]

Simplyscion take a guess...