ETD setup for superchargers

CCColtsicehockey · 09-24-2008, 11:32 AM

Ok well enough of taking up the space in the Honda Tuning TSX feature thread. Here is some basic info from what I gathered along with the original info posted in that thread for trying to figure out if those with superchargers can run the spoon ETD.

So here is the two original images that caught my attention. The engine bay shot on this page and the ETD shot on the second. Look closely how the dampener bracket fits in right behind the power steering pulley. Then the picture of the ETD is self is rather funny on the second page as its almost as though they didn't want to show how it was actually mounted.

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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey

so anyone have anyone more pics of the scammers engine bay. he managed to install the spoon engine dampener with the supercharger installed and I am wondering how cause I know my custom one from JTso does not with with the supercharger. it doesnt even come close. I would really like to get an ETD installed again cause the engine movement and thus loss of power to the wheels is huge now with the supercharger. heck if I let off the the gas completely when in the the high rpms you can feel the engine really jerk and the exhaust ends up hitting my rear lip at that point and melting it.

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Originally Posted by audioserf

This is a great question, and I know DAYTA would like information on this as well. I would have to assume he had a bracket custom fabbed to make this work. Have you looked into that Colts?

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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey

Other than talking to JTso who made my first one I have not contacted anyone else to have one made. I did find pics of the brackets actually just now that appear like they could possibly work but I am not sure. However I would imagine that guy would have parts made for looks even if they dont function based on his direct port nitrous setup. JTso said if I take lots of measurements he could look into it but said it probably would be very unlikely do to the way there is a molded spacer in the engine mount bolt holes that keep the brace from sitting flat on the mount. I am not even positive how the one the mugen car has would mount from my knowledge of where the mount is in relation to the supercharger pulleys. The only way I could think of it to work is if you have a manual cause then you dont have the auto tensioner mechanism the automatics have which covers the rest of the engine mount bolts that are not covered by the pulleys.

sorry for the thread hijack. if there is enough interest we should probably start a separate thread for this.

CCColtsicehockey · 09-24-2008, 12:00 PM

Now the first thing that has been debated about when trying to use JDM CL7 engine dampeners is the terrible placement of our power steering hose on this car. It is so low it would be in the way of the ETD. However those with superchargers have a relocated powers steering pump that is pushed close to the valve cover and those making the hose stick up more possibly giving us enough clearance. This can be seen in these pics compared to stock hose location.

Stock:

You can see that JTso had to take this into account when he designed his custom ETD by moving the actual bracket to the outside of the bolts rather than the inside of the bolts due to the low stock placement of the power steering pump.

Now with the supercharger you gain a little more clearance with the relocation of the power steering pump. Here is what the location of the hose looks like with the supercharger.

Now this is also how the final installation looks regarding what would interfere with the ETD for MT which means they have a better chance of this working than those of us with AT with a supercharger. The reason this is is that the auto tensior system that is used is very large and very much in the way of the engine mount bolts. if we were to find a way to make an ETD fit the auto tensioner would have to be removed first before it would be mounted and heck I am not sure the its not out of the question that the blower and the power steering pump would need to be temporarily removed to remove the engine mount bolts completely.

You can see more of this in the pictures bellow. In the first picture you can also see the large black bolt spacer used to keep the tensioner out from the pulleys and belt path could pose another problem as well to those of us with an AT.

The two most likely working Dampeners I could see for supercharger installations are the one from M&M honda

The other candidate which is the one on the car that got me thinking about this is the spoon one. Other than the pictures from that feature I have been able to find no other pictures of it installed. I was able to get pictures of the brackets from spoons site however. The bracket design is the reverse of what JTso and Ingalls was by moving the vertical piece to the inside of the bolts rather than the outside and making the run of the ETD rather short by point back at the shock tower.

I am not yet convinced enough that this will work especially for AT to go and order one right now. However if we can possibly come up with more pictures of that cars setup or more pictures of the ETD brackets by both Spoon and M&M Honda we should be able to make a rather educated guess.

endlesswinterco · 09-24-2008, 12:47 PM

wow, good stuff, deff bring up some good questions/points. wish i could help out on this one. i will search for pics to help if i can.

xjohnkdoex · 09-24-2008, 01:04 PM

is that the sunworks TSX?

CCColtsicehockey · 09-24-2008, 02:05 PM

Here are two more pics of the setup by M&M. Unfortunately it appears that the power steering pulley relocation is still in the way.

CCColtsicehockey · 09-24-2008, 02:09 PM

here is what I was thinking of for a custom setup possibly

tsx4life · 09-24-2008, 05:07 PM

im a noob at this...but what does a etd actually do and what ae the pros and cons about it?

audioserf · 09-25-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tsx4life

im a noob at this...but what does a etd actually do and what ae the pros and cons about it?

Prevents the engine from moving around too much on its mounts under acceleration/letting off the gas, and shifting gears. Once installed it makes your shifts feel noticably smoother and you'll experience less wheel-hop going over bumps.

Possible cons are increased cabin vibration (that motion had to go somewhere) and noise (if your ETD bracket is making contact with other engine components, as sometimes happens with the Ingalls unit - it wasn't very well engineered).

tsx4life · 09-25-2008, 05:43 PM

thanx for explaining it for me....

jacekrsx · 09-26-2008, 09:19 PM

I have a question.
My friend has European Accord CL9 k24a3 2,4
He wants to get supercharger, is it possible? I know there are some problems with computer, could he just get one straight from TSX and use on his accord?

Thanks!!!

audioserf · 09-30-2008, 09:20 AM

Colts did you get your Honda Tuning yet? I bought it yesterday and there's one pic (forget the page# I'm at work) which shows the ETD in the Mugen's engine bay. It looks like the engine-side bracket is either:

a) (poorly) photoshopped in and complete BS;
b) custom-mounted to fit BETWEEN the pulley and the motor, because you can clearly see the bracket behind where the pulley is.

Any thoughts?

l7h8626 · 10-02-2008, 06:03 AM

How about this setup!!!???

It says "CL9" that I can only read that part.
I haven't seen any discussion on this

Spoony · 10-02-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jacekrsx

I have a question.
My friend has European Accord CL9 k24a3 2,4
He wants to get supercharger, is it possible? I know there are some problems with computer, could he just get one straight from TSX and use on his accord?

Thanks!!!

It´s not possible, the Ecu´s doesn´t work and hondata reflash for te SC it´s not possible.

I like the Spoon ETD....mhmm..i order this by Heeltoe.