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NeoChaser · 07-07-2005, 10:24 AM

wow i just went through all 52 pages

sjlee · 07-07-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

This is something similar to what I REALLY wanted to get before I got stuck with my TSX (no complaints though). But nothing (in it's category) beats TDI. Too bad they don't make/import Audi TDI in the States...

Heh, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that they "got stuck" with a TSX. If you didn't want one, why'd you get it?

Also, if you wanted TDI, you could have gotten a VW.

By the way, there are quite a few downsides to TDI that would be contrary to "nothing beats" it. Some things that come to mind:

1. they are louder and vibrate more than gasoline engines
2. exhaust smell (not to mention, you'll have lots of fun if you accidentally get diesel fuel on your hand while pumping gas)
3. timing belt needs replacing more often
4. diesel fuel prices are higher than gas prices (which more or less offsets any gas mileage advantages)
5. acceleration isn't as good as a gasoline engine equivalent

Peregrine · 07-07-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sjlee

Heh, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that they "got stuck" with a TSX. If you didn't want one, why'd you get it?

That's a figure of speech. Of course I wanted it, otherwise I wouldn't've gotten it!

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Originally Posted by sjlee

Also, if you wanted TDI, you could have gotten a VW.

He, he, funny... It's NOT the same. The look and feel is very different.

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Originally Posted by sjlee

By the way, there are quite a few downsides to TDI that would be contrary to "nothing beats" it. Some things that come to mind:

1. they are louder and vibrate more than gasoline engines
2. exhaust smell (not to mention, you'll have lots of fun if you accidentally get diesel fuel on your hand while pumping gas)
3. timing belt needs replacing more often
4. diesel fuel prices are higher than gas prices (which more or less offsets any gas mileage advantages)
5. acceleration isn't as good as a gasoline engine equivalent

My responses:
1. Not louder, but slightly different sound than gasoline engines. And I did not notice any higher vibrations, especially not something very noticeable. If anything, it just makes you feel the car better. I think Audi did a great job in isolating those vibrations and noise. It may not be true for other diesel cars.
2. There is no smell coming from the exhust. I think you're taking about some crappy 20-year old diesel coming apart. Try the new TDIs and then we'll talk.
3. Well Yeah. On TSX you actually don't ever have to replace the timing belt, because they put a chain in there, so it's not a fair comparison. If you were comparing it to another car that used a belt instead of a chain then we could talk about a lower quality of parts. But since the TSX has a chain, it's beyond comparison. Unless you're saying TSX doesn't need replacing the timing chain, but the Audi does, because it's a belt - I agree.
4. I agree. In US diesel is more expensive than gasoline (although in Europe, diesel is way cheaper than any grade of gasoline). And that was another small reason why I "got stuck" (he, he, just a figure of speech) with another gasoline engine.
5. Acceleration ?? You have to be kidding, right? Read this:
TDI FAQ
Audi TDI engine specs

Type-S Swiss · 07-07-2005, 06:27 PM

Hey Peregrine

U must have rented that Audi in Hamburg - that is where I live right now.

I would NEVER trade my accord against any TDI EVER. I just do not like diesels that's all - way too european - no pun intended!

I was "driving" along with an Audi A6 2.5 TDI and the driver told me they could barely follow me - to their credit it was an automatic.

I like the torque of a diesel engine but it just doesn't last long enough. - at least for small diesels below 2L 1'd say.

Peregrine · 07-07-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Type-S Swiss

Hey Peregrine

U must have rented that Audi in Hamburg - that is where I live right now.

I would NEVER trade my accord against any TDI EVER. I just do not like diesels that's all - way too european - no pun intended!

I was "driving" along with an Audi A6 2.5 TDI and the driver told me they could barely follow me - to their credit it was an automatic.

I like the torque of a diesel engine but it just doesn't last long enough. - at least for small diesels below 2L 1'd say.

How're you doing Type-S. Actually I got this rental in Frankfurt. It was just on Hamburg plates. And the pic was made in Heidelberg at the Philosopher's point (I think that's what it's called)- the parking lot by the tower and ruins on top of the mountain opposite the castle, if you know where that is. This was a Manual, so the torque was unbelievably strong. True, if you're in Germany, you're probably sick and tired of all German cars and want something more unique, like Honda. Well, I've spent half my life in Europe and the other half in US, and treasure and praise Hondas (and Acuras, obviously), but I love Audis. The guy that couldn't follow you in the AT probably didn't know how to use the Tip-Tronic trans. I still say any Audi TDI will easily take our Hondas and Acuras at acceleration (if the driver knows how to drive it). The speed I think Hondas are much better at, but not the acceleration and torque.

sjlee · 07-08-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

5. Acceleration ?? You have to be kidding, right? Read this:
TDI FAQ
Audi TDI engine specs

The first link has this quote:

"If you enter a drag race between these two cars, the gas car will probably win, because drag racing is about horsepower-to-weight ratio and little else."

The second link is for the 3.0 TDI V6. It says that "100 km/h comes in just 7.2 seconds, top speed of the A4 3.0 TDI quattro is 235 km/h." That means 0-62mph = 7.2 seconds with a top speed of 146mph. That's TSX numbers... which "only" has a 2.4L I4 making 200 HP.

Peregrine · 07-08-2005, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sjlee

The first link has this quote:

"If you enter a drag race between these two cars, the gas car will probably win, because drag racing is about horsepower-to-weight ratio and little else."

The second link is for the 3.0 TDI V6. It says that "100 km/h comes in just 7.2 seconds, top speed of the A4 3.0 TDI quattro is 235 km/h." That means 0-62mph = 7.2 seconds with a top speed of 146mph. That's TSX numbers... which "only" has a 2.4L I4 making 200 HP.

Well, yeah, but you took the text out of context. Here's the whole point:
"Performance - It has been said that "people buy horsepower, but drive torque". This statement completely describes why the TDI engine is so easy to live with during day-to-day driving, despite the seemingly low horsepower rating!

A typical multivalve 2-litre gasoline engine may have its maximum horsepower (perhaps 120 or so) at 5500 to 6000 rpm, and its maximum torque (perhaps 120 lb-ft or so) between 3500 and 4000 rpm, and is probably geared to run about 2700 rpm at 100 km/h. In top gear at highway speed, the engine is below its peak torque, and probably makes around 51 hp at that speed. A downshift is usually needed to make a quick pass, or to get up a steep hill. If the car has an automatic transmission, the torque converter will probably unlock going up moderate hills, in order to get the engine closer to its peak torque.

With the TDI engine, maximum horsepower (90) is available at 3750 to 4000 rpm, and maximum torque (155 lb-ft) is available at just 1900 rpm. The engine runs 2100 rpm at 100 km/h and makes about 62 horsepower at that speed. Hey, that's more than the gas engine ... by quite a bit, too! Thus, no downshift is required to make a pass or to climb virtually any highway grade. And if the car has an automatic, it won't unlock the torque converter, because peak torque is right there already.

If you enter a drag race between these two cars, the gas car will probably win, because drag racing is about horsepower-to-weight ratio and little else. But who drives like that every day? Most people don't. Even people who think they do - usually don't.
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Again, what I'm saying is that TSX is faster, but Audi TDI has better tourque acceleration, so for everyday driving it's much more fun.
I don't want to commercialize Audi over Acura. That's not the point. I like my TSX. All I'm saying is that driving Audi TDI cars (I've driven few over the years) has always given me an excellent experience, and given different circumstances, out of cars in the same price bracket, I'd choose the TDI over any gasoline car. But taking all aspects into consideration (maintenance, economy, etc.), TSX is a better choice.
I'm not a mechanic and don't know all the nuts and bolts of modern cars. I'm just a driver. I'm sick and tired of critic reviews. There's no better test than your own. So go and test drive Audi 2.0 or 1.9 TDI, then drive your TSX, then get back to me and let me know what you think.

Type X · 07-08-2005, 09:20 PM

Type-S Swiss · 07-09-2005, 11:54 AM

Yes I do enjoy smokin a few of these german cars here with my Honda!

In all fairness, the TDI was really pushing well and kept right behind me - I also had a slight weight advantage as I did not have much cargo in the car.

but i think a 1.9TDI will not be a match for the Accord - the 2.5TDI was very close. I smoke the 1.8 Turbo no prob especially at higher speed.